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- HERE IS the second installment of the autobiographical interview with
- the late Caliph Hymenaeus Alpha conducted by his close friend Soror
- Lola DeWolfe.
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- On the first anniversary of H.A.'s death, July |2, |986 EV, some
- thirty-odd O.T.O. members and friends boarded a boat, sailed to the
- waters off San Francisco, and distributed Grady's ashes at sea--such
- was his oft-stated will. The event was organized by Sister Lola, Rusty
- Sporer and GTG Bill Heidrick. By all reports it was a celebratory and
- emotional affair, fitting for a great Thelemite who lived long and
- desired death much.
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- The following day many Bay Area Thelemites gathered at Thelema
- Lodge for a banana split party in honor of the late Caliph's well-
- known predisposition for such mood-altering substances. In
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- remembrance, we also reproduce one of Grady's poems (the recitation is
- also from the interview tape) as a preface to the interview proper.--
- H.B.
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- Hymenaeus Alpha:
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- Oh sweet adulterous harlot of the skies
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- I yearn to thee with heart of burning fire
- Pray that I might lie between thy thighs
- To find one mad all-consuming quire
- The passion promised in thy tender eyes.
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- That I might find, o sweet incestuous one
- The flame uniting heart to soul and mind
- And having found this love of two and none
- Cast off the shell that maketh mankind blind
- Unto the glory of the dawning sun.
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- And having found my rapture in thy kiss
- O daughter of the evening's purple charms
- To know the beauty, and the carnal bliss
- Of total dissolution in thine arms
- My Babalon, veiled by the dread abyss.
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- And then I penned a few sentences, the first two sentences come right
- out of ``The City Of Dreadful Night'' which Crowley thought was the
- greatest poem of the nineteenth century... the rest of it I added and
- he didn't like it, but anyway...
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- O melancholy brothers
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- Dark--dark--dark
- Death is the way of thy birth,
- Pain is the curse of thy mirth,
- Sweet is the kiss of the earth.
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- (Continued...) I got acquainted with a bunch of Chicano kids in Selma,
- and it turned out that they were involved with the Selma High School
- band. And it also turned out that there was a guy in Pasadena by the
- name of Aubrey Strong. And he happened to be dean of men at Pasadena
- Junior College. He also happened to be the bandmaster for the
- Tournament of Roses band. Which of course was the Pasadena Junior
- College band during the year. And on New Year's day, it was the
- Tournament of Roses Band.
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- Therefore, he had incentive to take certain high schools in
- California...the ones who had outstanding bands that any band member
- that wanted to come to Pasadena Junior College would be damned sure
- that all of their costs would be paid...it wasn't exactly a
- scholarship, it was something like ``National Youth Authority.''
- That's right, N.Y.A. There was like so much money available to
- deserving students to help them in their program of trying to get an
- education. And so he could guarantee that you would get one because he
- was the Dean of Men.
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- So anyway, now I had a problem...and this is one for the record,
- folks! OK, you do with what you've got. So what happened was this! I
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- found out these kids were going to be going down to Pasadena to go to
- school. Well, I wanted to go to college, too. But I didn't have a
- prayer. But I could play the trombone. And they were all in the band.
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- Now there's a custom, over in places in the agricultural district
- of California, over in Central Valley, just like in Kansas. They have
- a gazebo in the central park in the small town and on Friday night,
- everybody comes in and they space out on the movies or the ice cream
- cones or whatever, and the band plays in the park, and everybody sits
- around and lets the air blow across them, because it's hot and you're
- sweaty and everybody gets off on the band music and then everybody
- goes home, right?
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- Now, these three guys, they were all, like I said, Chicano. I can't
- remember their names...Roy Lopez was one, I can't remember the
- others...anyway, they were used to playing in the gazebo. So what they
- said to me was this: ``O.K. Grady, bring your trombone this
- Friday...and we'll get you in.'' And they did. And I sat there and I
- played with them. And then, I got up and I left with them.
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- And so then, like a number of weeks later, came time to report into
- Pasadena Junior College and the four of us lined up before Aubrey
- Strong, the Dean of Men, and he said, ``You're from Selma?'' ``Yes,
- Sir!'' And he accepted us all, and they didn't snitch on me. And
- that's how I got into college. Because my daddy got busted for being a
- bank robber and learned to play the trombone.
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- Did you get along well with your father?
- My father was always a puzzle to me. (Silence.) He had the cunning of
- a streetwise animal. He was a medieval knight in the wrong age. When
- we ran out of money, and him being a known ex-con, in Oklahoma in the
- thirties, there was nothing to stop him from running out, but he
- didn't.
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- One morning, we were living in this little run down shack down by
- the railroad yard...the reason this is standing out is that every hour
- on the hour a passenger or a freight train came charging along...swish
- kuchuuung. I used to risk my life going over to pick up coals for my
- mother so she could put them on the stove. So one morning I got up, I
- was a curious kid, and my family was still in bed. So I go out onto
- the back porch and there's mother...If you don't shut up I'm going to
- throw you out {to meowing cat}...I go out onto the back porch and
- here's several big boxes of groceries, and there is a great, big
- Hershey's chocolate bar, you know what a sweet tooth I have! Well,
- Joe, who was sitting in the front room with a couple of loaded German
- Lugers {tape becomes unintellegible} they had the great big clips on
- them, you know? I leaned right out the side of the car alongside a
- delivery truck and popped a few caps over the windshield and he
- stopped, and I stopped too...
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- How old were you?
- Oh, god, I was born in '18, '28, '38 (unintellegible). In his own way
- he was a very honest guy. How to get along with him I don't know
- because I didn't know him that well. For example, he offered to teach
- me all of the elements of criminal training. One night, we were
- sitting there in his little room...and Dad says ``Come out into the
- garage, there's something I'd like to show you.'' So we went out and
- there's a nice Chevy Chevrolet, I think they called it, nice, and
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- painted black. I started to touch it, you know kids, and Dad said,
- ``No, Buck, never touch it like that, always pull your finger like
- this'' and he showed me. In other words, if I had wanted to be a
- criminal, I had a perfect teacher. But I didn't want to, I wanted to
- go to school. Somebody was in Kansas and Dad was driving it to Texas.
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- You didn't mention that you're a double Libra.
- Yes, well, for those, in terms of oral history, for those who would be
- interested, the double Libra, sun conjunct rising sign in 26 degrees
- of Libra with Mercury ascendant. I have {a Grand} trine in fire signs
- and it goes like this: Moon in Aries 40 degrees trine Neptune in Leo
- at nine degrees and trine Mars {in Sagittarius} twelve degrees. I have
- Saturn in Leo at 25 degrees in opposition to Uranus and Aquarius 23
- degrees (unintellegible).
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- We left off here, you're in college,
- My career in college was shall we say spectacular, but not very. I
- tried to go out for a career in engineering/physics, but I blew it
- when I discovered I couldn't understand differential calculus. As a
- consequence, I didn't quite make that.
- However, in the process, because I'd been into science fiction
- since the mid-thirties, when I was a high school student, I had gotten
- involved in the local Los Angeles science fiction club. Where I was
- living back then. Paul Friables' habit and mine. Paul Friables was one
- of those genius types, he was a student of chemistry at Cal-Tech. He
- was to take his degree and die young because he had a bad heart. He
- was putting out a fan mag called Polaris in which some of Ray
- Bradbury's very earliest stories were printed.
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- It was his habit and mine on Friday evening, to take the big red
- car, the big red streetcar over from Pasadena to Los Angeles where we
- would transfer over to a streetcar and we would wind up at a place
- called the ``Cliff Cafeteria'' which is about five stories tall, and
- as in any metropolitan area on Friday night, when everybody goes home,
- it was empty from the top down, which meant that the top floor was
- cheap for rent, and it had a room called ``The Little Brown Room''
- with a big long conference table in it and outside the diners would
- sit with all these containers of bug juice...free.
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- And so we would line up in there around this table. And there were
- two chicks in the whole group...Lona and Pogo and they had a
- particular mission in life, to turn us all on to Esperanto because if
- we all spoke the same language there wouldn't be any wars. Remember,
- this was 1938 and War Two was just hanging over our heads...they were
- sure preaching the doctrine.
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- In any case, one evening I was sitting there and I saw this idiot
- running up and down on the other side of the table. Well, there were
- original paintings by artists for the covers of science fiction
- magazines on the wall and so, this guy was running up and down with a
- horrible Halloween rubber mask over his face trying to scare the
- people, especially the girls and they wondered who the hell that idiot
- was and he got tired of it and took his mask off and it was Ray
- Bradbury, he was just getting really hot at the time. It was that kind
- of an atmosphere.
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- So anyway, one night we were standing around being happily bombed
- and this little swirl of people comes moving through the crowd. I
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- might add, in those days, Cory Ackerman had one of the leading
- collections of science fiction, this was thirty-eight, thirty-nine.
- Well of course you can imagine what it's like now, but in any case, it
- happened to be one of our particular little games to say, ``Hey,
- everybody, let's go over to Cory's place and see his collection,'' and
- we would.
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- It was like this great big cavern and that was only upstairs, I
- don't know what he had downstairs, but we used to go on trips like
- that. Anyway, so I went to this founding meeting of the California
- Sci-Fi Society and we're standing around being happily bombed, the
- rooms were just full of people in and out and this little swirl of
- people comes moving through the crowd, and this very handsome
- guy...looked a lot like me in a way and what we talked about most was
- science fiction, magick and poetry. ``What kind of poetry are you
- writing?'' And so the next thing I know, it turned out that his name
- was Jack Parsons. And he said, ``By the way, where do you live?''
- Was he already famous at that time?
- No, he wasn't famous. Well, in the scientific community he was very
- well known. And in the science of rocketry he was very well known. But
- as far as the general public was concerned I doubt if the general
- public even knew he existed. True they named a crater on the Moon
- after him, but the people in the general public didn't know who Jack
- Parsons was.
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- But, so, I said ``Pasadena'' and he said he had a private home, so
- that's how I wound up on Terrace Drive. And I became a part of the
- menage on Terrace Drive. And I discovered beautiful things like
- Wagner, and Debussy and music and fantastic illustrated books by Poe
- and Aleister Crowley and fantastically wonderful times...I always knew
- I'd been there.
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- And did Jack Parsons know Crowley?
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- He never did know him. He wrote letters. He never did meet him in
- person. When Jack Parsons died, we were all rather shocked because we
- looked at him as our coming genius. We expected him to do great
- things. After all, he was the only member of the Order of the Temple
- whose name had been perpetuated by having a crater on the moon named
- for him. However, he did die, and the question rose as to why? Why
- would he have chosen to have exited this world at that particular time
- and that particular manner--and there was considerable speculation.
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- One line of speculation was that it was an accident. Another line
- of speculation was that it was suicide at the psychic level.
- Personally, I hold to the second point of view. That is to say, my
- personal opinion is that Jack Parsons came down, did his trip and went
- home. And as far as I'm concerned, it's as simple as that. So that
- when it comes to psychic suicide, or something like that, in other
- words, had he fulfilled his mission, there wasn't any point in
- sticking around.
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- Now, what was the next point?
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- It seems like, in a way, he was the Antichrist?
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- Well, there's one way of looking at it, that Christ committed suicide.
- Being the son of god, he didn't have to die, but he did. Well,
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- apparently, Jack Parsons saw something that the rest of us didn't see,
- and that was this: that if we were going to put an end to the reign of
- Christianity, you would have to have an antichrist to counterbalance
- the effect of Christ. Like the Star Trek episode I was mentioning
- earlier. In which these two guys, the only way to keep them from
- tearing the universe apart was to lock them in a tunnel where they
- will be in eternal combat...at least they won't tear this universe
- apart. And that's what Parsons did if I'm correct. The point is, if
- you didn't seal it off, it wouldn't do any good.
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- And how was it he created Magical children?
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- Oh, through his Babalon working.
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- In what year did he do that?
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- (answer unintellegible.) So, anyway, the other night at Solartron's
- tarot reading...we had, by the way, by count, ten Thoth decks there
- and I was part of a very beautiful...I had this very beautiful
- communication. Each person did a different reading laying out cards in
- their own pattern...whatever they wanted to do.
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- But me, I had this little treasure chest with these very unique
- reading cards. Thoth deck and the way I did, I took the reading from
- zero right on up through until I came to the Universe card and it
- wasn't there. And then I realized that when I had gone through picking
- out the major arcana that I had somehow or other mixed them. So I
- wondered what to do, but I needed a card to fill it, so I reached over
- to the deck...I wasn't playing any games or anything...I just reached
- over and pulled a card and it turned out to be the Prince of Cups.
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- Now, my birthday happens to be October 18th, which if you check
- your Tarot, you'll discover is the Prince of Cups. In other words, a
- Libra going over into Scorpio, which, in the I Ching, is known as
- ``Kung Fu'' or ``Inner Truth'' as it says in the I Ching it is so
- powerful that it moves even pigs and fishes.
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- And so then you drew three more cards after that?
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- Oh yes, then I drew three more cards just to see what was happening,
- and what I found was the Eight of Wands which is like lightning
- invocation and in the middle there was the Universe ard where it
- should have been in the major Atu and on the other side of that, there
- was the Ace of Disks which is called in the Thoth deck Aleister
- Crowley's 666 and it says that right in the middle. It seemed like
- somebody was trying to tell me something. It is on public record,
- printed in a couple of places that Aleister Crowley wrote the
- letter...he wrote several in fact, one was to me. The substance of it
- was that having discovered that Jack Parsons was up to creating a
- Moonchild and (unintelligible) those were the facts of these
- (unintelligible) bondages or whatever, my apologies to
- (unintelligible). I have no idea what they're talking about yet he
- {Crowley} had published Moonchild (unintelligible) and all Jack
- Parsons was trying to do as far as I can tell was someplace put into
- effect was what the masters...and what you have here is a Babalon
- operation. This was dated 22 February, 1946.
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- One thing, I seem to have my elementals...{Grady here quotes from
- Parsons}: ``She turned up on night after the conclusion of the
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- operation...before she goes back to New York next week. She has red
- hair and green eyes as specified.''
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- END OF INTERVIEW
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